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Supplementing B-Vitamins

Written by Julia Trudeau

Monday, 18 December 2006

This is a message Julia wrote to Gary about B-Vitamins:

All mercury toxic people are low in B vitamins. Both because of methylation defects (mutations) and because of methylation blocks by mercury, aluminum, and/or lead. I'm sure there are other things that come into play as well. B12 is the one that every toxic person needs. I haven't found an exception to this, but there might be some. It can be taken orally if there is intrinsic factor in the pill. Metagenics has Intrinsi-B12 with folate, and Vessel Care. They both have intrinsic factor in them. I take 1 Vessel Care per day. Vessel Care was the first thing to help me when I was at my worst.

Vessel care did stimulate methylation for me, did give me euphoria and did make my arms a little tingly, not numb though. It didn't seem to effect my bile production though.

By the way Amy Yasko lists many of her protocols for a variety of conditions on one of her sites. Other supplements vary, but every one of them has intrinsi-B12 with folate included. She only has people take 1/4 of one pill per day though. If you dowse for this or vessel care I think you should try just 1/4 of a pill at a time.

The difference between Intrinsi B12 and Vessel Care is that Vessel Care has trimethylglycine (betaine) in it. Some people don't do so well with the betaine. I have an autistic boy patient who improves on dimethylglycine, but worsens witih trimethylglycine. This is one example of how I said it can get hard to treat people when there are so many individual variations on things. In actual clinical settings, this becomes very readily apparent, and quite a problem. I do better with the trimethylglycine added, that's why I take vessel care.

If there is no intrinsic factor with the B12, don't bother swallowing B12.
Take it in a sublingual form, or a shot. I don't see any reason to take the shot though since the sublingual forms work fine if you just take enough of it. Most of the injectible B12 that pharmacies carry have aluminum in them as a preservative also, except for Tahoma clinic dispensary in Seattle. 1mg sublingual doesn't usually do much, it usually takes more like 5mg. Some people do better with methylcobalamin, some better with cyanocobalamin, some hydroxycobalamin. It has been suggested by Yasko that having a little of each is best. In that case, the 1mg sublingual pills might be helpful so you could mix them. I haven't tried that myself. 1mg pills might be better to start you out with also so we don't go stimulating so much methylation in you that other things get out of balance.

Between using sublingual b12 and a preparation with other methlating things (the Metagenics products), use whichever you dowse for, but don't go by dowsing for dose. Just start really low.

2nd big supplement that toxic people are low in is thiamine. I like Bio-3-BG by Biotics Research. If a person is thiamine deficient they will usually get up in the middle of the night to pee more than once and they will have some muscle soreness problems. Maybe only when they use their muscles a little more than usual, not necessarily always, like with fibromyalgia.

The reason I like Bio-3-BG is because it has all of the b vitamins in it, just extra thiamine. They are mostly in their phosphorylated forms also.
Toxic people will need to supplement with B12 always and extra thiamine sometimes, but it is always best to have a base of all the b vitamins with them. Not just B12 alone or thiamine alone.

I use the Bio-3-BG for my base of other b-vitamins, but if a person didn't need the extra thiamine use Bio-B100 by Biotics Research or Max stress B by Premiere (Dr. Bob Marshall's company). Max stress B is just brewers yeast that has been predigested by probiotics. It is liquid.

I actually also take extra trimethylglycine in the form of Beta Plus by Biotics, but AF Beta Food by Standard Process worked even better for me, but has some wheat product in it and I couldn't take it for long without bad headaches.

I personally am quite low in both B6 and thiamine as evidenced by my tendency to have numb arms (B6 deficiency) and delayed onset muscle soreness without much extra activity at all (thiamine deficiency) so my daily B-vitamins look like this:

1 Vessel Care by Metagenics per day
3 B6 phosphate by Biotics Research per day
3 Bio-3-BG by Biotics Research per day
3 Beta plus by Biotics Research per day

It took me a long time to figure this out for myself. Please note that this amount of methylating things will stimulate a fair amount of detoxification without any added chelators. I really doubt that you could handle this quantity of things. Much better to start out slow. The only exception to that is just straight B12. I've heard that you almost can't give too much of it to a toxic person. I don't know if that is true though. It still wouldn't hurt and will only help to start out slowly with everything after dowsing.

I will reitereate that I think that getting B vitamins straight, minerals, essential fatty acids and amino acids seem to be the most helpful.

I have only recently been supplementing with amino acids. I've been doing the other three even long before I started chelating. I got the most noticeable symptomatic improvements from taking the b-vitamins and minerals.

I like Multi-Min Chelate from Metagenics the best for minerals. I take 3 per day. That and Vessel Care were the two things that helped me the most.
AMNI has a multi-mineral without iron that is something like Multi-Min Chelate, but you take 6 per day. Some people do better on it than the Metagenics product.

I have been experimenting with a general free form amino acid preparation and that has been helpful for me, but when you get into sulfur sensitivities you will have a much harder time getting this straightened out.

Start by dowsing which would be the best of the 4 to start with. I'm sure it won't be amino acids. Then only work on one of them at a time.

Julia
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